On November 5, 2024, Toromont Industries Limited (TIH), a leading equipment services provider, reported its financial performance for the third quarter of 2024. The company experienced a 14% revenue increase, driven largely by new equipment sales, which surged 36%.
However, net income for the quarter fell by 10% compared to the same period last year, due to challenging market conditions that impacted product availability and margins. Despite these headwinds, Toromont maintained a strong financial position with a solid order backlog and continued investment in its operations.
Key Takeaways
- Toromont's Q3 revenue increased by 14%, with Equipment Group revenue up 14% and CIMCO revenue growing 17%.
- Net income decreased by 10% compared to Q3 2023, attributed to market conditions affecting product availability and margins.
- The company completed the acquisition of Tri-City Equipment Rentals, expanding its presence in Southwestern Ontario.
- Operating income declined by 12% for the quarter and 10% year-to-date due to lower gross margins and increased expenses.
- A quarterly dividend of $0.48 per share was announced, payable on January 6, 2025.
- Total (EPA:TTEF) bookings grew by 14% to $368 million, with a robust backlog of $1.2 billion in the first nine months.
Company Outlook
- Toromont remains positive about its future prospects, with a healthy order backlog of $1.1 billion and ongoing investments in business operations.
- The company expects improved future activity as affordable housing supply issues are addressed and interest rates stabilize.
Bearish Highlights
- Net income and operating income both saw declines due to market conditions and increased costs.
- Used equipment sales fell by 6%, and rental margins were lower due to higher fleet acquisition costs and reduced utilization levels.
- The return on equity decreased to 19.4% from 24.7% in Q3 2023.
Bullish Highlights
- New equipment sales showed significant growth at 36%.
- CIMCO's revenue and operating income both increased, with package revenue up 41%.
- The company has maintained a solid financial footing with $671 million in cash and $461 million in available credit.
Misses
- Gross margins were affected by a competitive pricing environment and a shift towards higher-value, narrower-margin products.
- Product support revenues in the U.S. for CIMCO were described as lumpy and dependent on customer requirements.
Q&A Highlights
- Management addressed concerns about competitive pressures on gross margins and rental market challenges.
- There was a discussion about the increase in working capital due to business growth and a return to normal supply levels.
- Updates were provided on the Reman site, with staffing progressing well and plans for a broader opening in spring 2024.
Toromont Industries Limited's third-quarter earnings call provided a comprehensive overview of the company's current financial health and future prospects. While the company faces challenges due to market conditions, its strategic acquisitions and focus on operational execution position it well for long-term growth. Toromont's management remains committed to delivering shareholder value through consistent dividends, share buybacks, and careful capital allocation. As the company navigates the current economic landscape, investors will be watching closely to see how Toromont capitalizes on emerging opportunities and manages through market fluctuations.
Full transcript – None (TMTNF) Q3 2024:
Operator: Good morning. Today is Tuesday November 5, 2024. Welcome to the Toromont Industries Limited Third Quarter 2024 Results Conference Call. Please be advised that this call is being recorded and all lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. Your host for today will be Mr. John Doolittle, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Please go ahead Mr. Doolittle.
John Doolittle: Thank you, Elvis. Good morning, everyone. Thanks a lot for joining us today to discuss Toromont's third quarter results. And also on the call with me this morning is Mike McMillan, President and Chief Executive Officer. Mike and I will be referring to the presentation that is available on our website. And to start I would like you to refer to slide 2, which contains our advisory regarding forward-looking information and statements. After our prepared remarks, we'll be more than happy to answer questions and let's begin by moving to slide 3, and I'll pass it over to Mike.
Mike McMillan: Great. Thanks very much John. Good morning, everyone. Thanks for joining us. Before we get started, we are extremely pleased to welcome Ave Lethbridge and Paramita Das to our Board of Directors. Ave and Paramita bring substantial business acumen and expertise in their respective fields and are important additions that expand the depth and breadth of our team. In addition to our package on slide 3, we have provided a brief summary of the respective backgrounds in our quarterly news release as well. With these additions, the company's Board of Directors will consist of 11 members of whom 10 are independent. Please join us in welcoming Ave and Paramita. Now let's get started and move to slide 4. On September 9, 2024, the company completed the acquisition of the business and net operating assets of Tri-City Equipment Rentals. Tri-City is an industry leader in heavy equipment rentals with operations in Southwestern Ontario. The acquisition expands Toromont Cat's heavy rents business to better serve our customer base and aligns with our positive longer term view of the rental market. We are very pleased to welcome the Tri-City team to the Toromont family. As we move to slide 5, I'd like to note that John and I will be commenting largely on a continuing operations basis, which excludes the results of AgWest as it was sold in Q2 of 2023. We exclude AgWest as we believe this provides a better basis for comparability. Results for the third quarter of 2024 reflect good growth in revenue across most market segments, as well as continued execution against a strong order backlog with revenue up 14% and net income lower by 10% from Q3 2023. Margins and bottom line results have been dampened as expected with the more normalized product availability against a strong comparator, reflective of tighter market conditions in play last year. The Equipment Group executed well with solid new equipment deliveries. Rental markets specifically light equipment picked up in the quarter while used equipment sales declined primarily due to lower rental dispositions. Product support activity levels remain healthy and we continue to increase technician headcount. Improving equipment availability, good bookings over the first nine months of the year and a healthy opening order backlog remains supportive. CIMCO continued to deliver solid results for the third quarter, driven by good execution in both Canada and the US coupled with healthy activity levels. Package revenue in the quarter reflects the advancement of construction schedules in the execution of the strong order backlog. Product support activity continued to demonstrate strong growth in Canada, supported by larger technician workforce, however, was slightly dampened by the US region. Our financial position remains strong as we continue to invest in the business in Q3 and on a year-to-date basis through working capital and the Tri-City acquisition noted earlier. Although, residential-related activities are experiencing a slower part of the business cycle this is partly offset by strong equipment deliveries in mining related to mine development and expansion in our territory. As we look out over the next cycle, we anticipate a more balanced revenue mix with a focus on product support as recent equipment deliveries are utilized. Across the organization, we continue to focus on our long-term investment strategies and remain committed to our operating disciplines, driving our aftermarket strategies and delivering customer solutions today and for the future, our strong financial position and order backlog position us well. On slide 6, I'd like to touch on a few key financial highlights. Investment in non-cash working capital increased 29% versus a year ago. We are comfortable with this increase as it was mainly driven by higher inventory levels and account receivable balances reflective of the higher new equipment sales levels and normalizing supply conditions. Inventory levels are higher than the prior year driven by a number of factors including delivery timing, inflation, foreign exchange on US store supplies, improving availability through the supply chain, seasonality and general activity levels. Accounts receivable increased in light of the higher revenue in the quarter. Days sales outstanding were unchanged from this time last year. Our team continues to closely manage the aging of our receivables and monitor credit levels and metrics. We ended the third quarter with ample liquidity including cash of $671 million an additional $461 million available to us under existing credit facilities. Our net debt to total capitalization ratio was negative 1%. We purchased and canceled 673,000 shares for approximately $83 million on a year-to-date basis under our NCIB program. These purchases are mainly reflective of good capital hygiene and help to mitigate option exercise dilution. Overall, our balance sheet remains well-positioned to support operational needs and we are prepared to manage challenges related to the economic variables and business conditions. We will continue to exercise the operational financial discipline one would expect as we evaluate investment opportunities that may develop over time. Toromont targets a return on equity of 18% over a business cycle. Return on equity was lower at 19.4% compared to 24.7% for Q3 of 2023 and lower than our five-year average of 20.8%. Return on capital employed was 26.3% down from 31.6% for Q3 of 2023. Both of these metrics were driven by lower earnings and our higher capital investment coupled with the increase in working capital as well as our excess cash on hand. And finally as announced yesterday the Board of Directors approved a regular quarterly dividend of $0.48 per share payable on January 6, 2025 to shareholders on record on December 6, 2024. John, I'll turn it back to you for some more detailed comments on the results.
John Doolittle: Okay. Thank you very much, Mike. Let's turn to slide 7 for a few additional comments on the consolidated results. As Mike noted results for the third quarter reflected good revenue growth with new equipment deliveries and execution against order backlog and project schedules. Gross profit margins were lower compared to the prior year on sales mix with a lower percentage of product support revenue to total and against a tough comparator in the equipment group last year given market dynamics in play at that time. Operating income was down 9% compared to the strong results last year. Bookings for the third quarter increased 4% compared to a year ago with higher bookings in the Equipment Group being offset by lower bookings at CIMCO against a strong comparative. On a year-to-date basis bookings increased 11% in the Equipment Group. Equipment Group was up 12% and CIMCO up 1%. Backlog remains healthy at $1.1 billion at the end of September slightly down from $1.2 billion reported at this time last year with the decrease in the Equipment Group down 17% and an increase at CIMCO up 12%. On a consolidated basis revenue increased 14% in the third quarter and 9% through the first nine months of the year with increases in both the Equipment Group and CIMCO. Expense levels increased 7% in the quarter increased 8% year-to-date to 12.1% of revenue. Increases reflect higher activity levels along with staffing levels and general inflation. And as usual discretionary spend is being monitored carefully. Operating income decreased 9% in the quarter and 8% year-to-date as the higher revenue was more than offset by lower gross margins and higher expenses. As a percentage of revenue operating income was 12.4% on a year-to-date basis compared to 14.7% last year. Net earnings on a continuing operations basis decreased 10% or $14.7 million in the quarter compared to last year and decreased 7% or $24.8 million on a year-to-date basis. Basic earnings per share on a continuing operations basis was $1.60 in the quarter and 4.27% year-to-date. Let's look at the Equipment Group in more detail and turn to slide 8. Revenue was up 14% in the quarter and 9% year-to-date. Equipment sales including both new and used equipment were up 29% in the quarter and 18% year-to-date reflecting good inflow and delivery of equipment. New equipment sales increased 36% in the quarter and 22% year-to-date with good activity across all market segments except for material handling. Used equipment sales decreased 6% during the quarter and decreased 2% year-to-date. Both rental fleet dispositions and sales of used equipment from trades and purchases have decreased reflecting shipping supply and demand dynamics. In the quarter, total equipment revenue increased 2% in construction, 118% in mining, 17% in Power Systems and were down 9% in material handling, another strong quarter for mining. Rental revenue was 3%, higher in the quarter and 1% lower year-to-date. Except for the light equipment fleet, which saw some improvement for the quarter, most market sectors and regions were down for the quarter and on a year-to-date basis generally reflecting persisting softer market conditions, principally in residential construction. Our RPO fleet was $81 million at the end of September versus $55 million a year ago and rental revenue was up 24% year-to-date compared to last year and we think of RPO as a financing tool that normally results in an eventual sale. Product support revenue grew 1% in the quarter and 2% year-to-date. Parts revenue decreased 1% in the quarter and was relatively unchanged year-to-date on market activity and product support sales mix. Service revenue increased in both the quarter and year-to-date on the higher technician workforce. Looking at specific markets for the quarter, change in revenue were as follows: Construction was down 4%, mining up 7%, power systems, up 3%; and material handling, down 3%. Gross profit margins decreased 440 basis points in the quarter compared to last year and decreased 290 basis points on a year-to-date basis. Sales mix was unfavorable with a lower proportion of product support revenue to total, dampening margins by 140 basis points in the quarter. Equipment margins decreased 190 basis points as expected given market dynamics in play in the prior year. Rental margins were down 120 basis points on lower fleet utilization. Product support margins increased 10 basis points reflecting nature of work and sales mix. Selling and administrative expenses increased 7% in both the quarter and year-to-date in support of the higher revenue. Compensation costs were higher year-over-year on headcount and regular salary increases, partially offset by lower profit sharing accruals on the lower income. Other expenses, such as training, travel and occupancy costs have increased in light of activity levels, planned investment and general inflation. We're comfortable with the increases, as they largely represent investments in our team and resources. Operating income decreased 12% for the quarter and 10% year-to-date as higher revenue was offset by lower gross margins and higher expenses. Bookings increased 14% in the quarter to $368 million with strong bookings in construction, Power Systems and Material handling being partially offset with lower mining orders. Construction markets were active, up 15%, with a continuing evolution towards more normalized supply and demand dynamics. Mining markets are also strong with good orders received through the first nine months of the year but were down 26% from last year's Q3, which was a strong comparable. Power Systems order activity was strong, up 81% and the material handling order intake was up 55% in the quarter. Backlog of $804 million remains at healthy levels, down 17% versus last year reflecting deliveries against customer orders from the opening backlog offset by new bookings. Approximately, 90% of the backlog is expected to be delivered over the next 12 months. But of course, it's subject to timing differences depending on vendor supply activity – vendor supply customer activity and delivery schedules. Turning to CIMCO on Slide 9. Revenue was up 17% in the quarter and 14% year-to-date. Package revenue increased 41% in the quarter and 21% year-to-date with advancement of construction schedules and the execution of strong order backlog. Industrial market revenue was up 26% and recreational market activity was up 57%. Product support revenue increased 2% in the quarter and 6% on a year-to-date basis with higher market activity in Canada in both periods. Activity in the US was down 34% for the quarter and down 12% year-to-date. Activity levels are reflective of market conditions and increased labor capacity. Gross profit margins decreased 40 basis points in the quarter reflecting an unfavorable sales mix, reducing margin 100 basis points on a lower proportion of product support revenue to total revenue. Package margins improved on good execution and the nature of the projects in process, driving a 60 basis point increase in the quarter. Product support margins were unchanged in the quarter. On a year-to-date basis, gross profit margins increased 110 basis points with higher margins in both packages and product support margins. Selling and administrative expenses increased 11% in the quarter and 12% year-to-date. Compensation costs were higher, reflecting staffing levels, annual salary increases and higher profit sharing accruals on higher earnings. Other expenditures such as travel and training expenses increased to support activity. As a percentage of revenue, selling and administrative expenses decreased to 15.6% in the first nine months of 2024 versus 15.8% in the similar period last year. Expenditure control measures on discretionary spend remain a key focus area for the CIMCO team. Operating income was up $2.7 million or 21% for the quarter, largely reflecting the higher revenue, slightly dampened by the lower gross margins and higher expenses. On a year-to-date basis, operating income was $8.1 million or 30% year-to-date. On higher revenue, higher gross margins partially offset by higher expenses. Operating income as a percentage of revenue improved 130 basis points compared to last year to 10.4%. Bookings decreased 34% to $56.8 million in the quarter against a strong comparator last year and were 1% higher for the year-to-date period. Recreational bookings were 109% higher than the first nine months of last year with excellent activity in both Canada and the US. Industrial orders were down 42% year-to-date and Canadian orders were lower against a strong comparative while the US was higher. Backlog of $275.8 million was 12% higher than last year with higher backlog in the recreational market partially offset by lower industrial backlog. Industrial backlog decreased 2% with a decrease in Canada, largely offset by a strong increase in the US on good order intake over the trailing 12 months. Recreational backlog was up 32%, reflecting a strong increase in Canada and a modest decrease in the US. Approximately 75% of the backlog is expected to be realized over the next 12 months. However, again, this is subject to construction schedules and potential changes stemming from supply chain dynamics. And with that we can move to Slide 10. I'll turn it back to Mike to highlight some key takeaways as we look forward to the last quarter of the year.
Mike McMillan: Thanks, John. As one would expect we consistently focus on our key priority areas including safe operational execution, serving and supporting our customer requirements and our disciplined focus on building our business for the future. Our backlog levels remain solid at $1.2 billion overall, and bookings for the first nine months of the year remain solid as well. We continue to hire technicians to support our operations and this remains an essential focus for our aftermarket and value-added product service — product and service offerings. Operationally and financially, we remain well positioned with ample liquidity and our strong leadership teams disciplined culture and focused operating models. Our team remains committed to disciplined execution with our decentralized and empowered operating model, adapting to changes in the business environment, while we remain focused on executing customer deliverables. We continue to monitor key metrics including supply and demand dynamics. As noted, our long-term focus on growth and returns means, we remain committed to our operating financial disciplines to manage our cost structure, while we invest in capacity and capabilities to provide exceptional service to our customers today and in the future. Additional efforts continue to focus on managing our discretionary spend and actively recruiting technicians to effectively support our critical aftermarket service strategies and value-add product offering over the long term. With our solid order backlog and balance sheet, we are well positioned and we'll continue to support the business through thoughtful capital deployment. We appreciate our entire team's effort and commitment to support our customers and deliver value for our stakeholders. Thanks also to our valued customers, supply partners and shareholders for their continued support. That concludes our prepared remarks. At this time, we'd be pleased to take questions. Elvis, over to you.
Operator: Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now begin the question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Yuri Lynk from Canaccord Genuity. Please go ahead.
Yuri Lynk: Good morning, guys. Thanks for taking the question.
Mike McMillan: Good morning, Yuri.
Yuri Lynk: I wanted to dig in a little bit on product support, particularly the parts sales flat year-to-date. Just wondering if that's in line with the market? Or has your market share changed at all? And as a follow-on to that, I mean, you are putting in the last two quarters almost 40% growth in new equipment sales. When would we expect that to start hitting parts and service?
Mike McMillan: Yes. Thanks Yuri. It's a great question. So I think what we are seeing and you get the themes that we're reporting strong new equipment sales. And I think if you roll back a couple of years you'll notice there was a lack of availability, especially on models where that we refer to as parts-biased models that consume a lot of parts activity. As we see renewal of our customer fleets and we see good new equipment sales, but lower activity, I think, it stands to reason we should expect flat or small growth in part sales. We're seeing good service revenue and so forth, and that's driving some of our product support activity and a little bit of growth albeit modest. And so I think what we should be thinking about is as we see activity levels improve over time, we see the new product in the marketplace being utilized that naturally should help us see product support and parts sales in particular consumption returning back to a different part of the cycle.
Yuri Lynk: But there's no change in terms of your market share or competition on the parts side?
Mike McMillan: Yes. I would say, availability is there like everything else in the marketplace, Yuri, I would say we certainly have an extensive network of operations and services and so forth. And I think it's really more a function of what I mentioned earlier activity levels generally and then the modernization of the fleet. And so we're pretty comfortable with where we are and prepared and that's why we continue to invest in technicians and build for the future as we see demand pick up.
Yuri Lynk: Okay. Second one for me just on Tri-City. Wondering if you're willing to provide any financial profile in terms of revenue at least of that acquisition? And a follow-on to that were there any significant costs associated with that acquisition in the SG&A for the third quarter?
Mike McMillan: Yes. No, I would say, a little bit of cost on the second part of your question. Naturally as we put together agreements purchase agreements, but I wouldn't say it's overly material on our SG&A in that regard tend to expense those costs and manage as much of that as we can internally and have built that — some of that capability. I think in terms of we did not disclose the revenue and contribution there, but what I would refer you to is like Note 3 does have in our disclosure some good breakdown in terms of the purchase price allocation. And I think you can kind of back into some numbers and estimates based on the purchase price in a reasonable multiple, but we didn't provide further commentary on that.
John Doolittle: Yes. I'd just add on Tri-City just on the acquisition in general. We continue to have a very disciplined approach to our acquisitions. And we have a playbook. Can we add value? Is it a great team? Does it meet our hurdle rates? Does it help our customers and those sorts of things? And the answer to that was yes on all fronts with Tri-City.
Yuri Lynk: And a better turnover there, guys. Thanks very much.
Mike McMillan: Thanks, Yuri.
John Doolittle: Thank you.
Operator: Your next question comes from Sabahat Khan from RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead.
Sabahat Khan: Great. Thanks and good morning. Just maybe starting off with a bit of a higher level question. I think some puts and takes in the backlog with new orders. We've got rate cuts just at least an initial one to start. How are your customers feeling or what kind of feedback are you getting in terms of how they feel about the macro? The Cat's commentary the other day was a bit tempered. Just trying to get an understanding of where in the cycle you feel your customers might be and that obviously reflects into your backlog, et cetera? But just curious how you feel about the overall operating environment right now.
Mike McMillan: Yes. Thanks, Sabahat. Maybe I'll start with that and John can add a little bit of commentary as well. I would say, we've been talking for the last several quarters about a tone of caution, I would say, with our customers, especially when you think of the residential segment of our business. And customers involved in supporting that side. So there has been a lower activity level in the residential side. And so I think interest rates as we all know have started to taper and come back off and you would expect that to drive a little bit more activity, but I think it's still a bit early in that regard. And so as you look at our bookings now interesting thing is again, we're still in an interesting situation. But if you look at our disclosure in terms of our backlog and bookings still at a pretty reasonably high level our bookings in particular if you look at construction in the quarter and on a year-to-date basis. We are up in construction. We have pretty solid balances in the backlog for both the Power group and the mining side. And of course, mining is more lumpy and it's dictated on investment and development in the mining sector and so forth. So we continue to execute on that. But generally speaking, I'd say there's still a tone of caution just given the activity levels. However, I think with the interest rate environment and what we're seeing in and I'd say the backdrop where we know that in our markets in particular, there's a shortage of affordable housing and that supply on that side needs to improve over time. I'd say that it's a little early to say that there's any trending there yet. But I'd say, there's some I would say cautious optimism in that area, but I think it's going to be next year before we see too much activity.
Sabahat Khan: Great. And then just on a related note I think in your comments, as well as in Cat's, there are some comments about just maybe pricing to some extent. And I think, you alluded to that in your margin commentary. How are you feeling about just the pricing environment? Do you think it sort of settled down? Is it generally going to follow the demand environment? Just some thoughts on the pricing side please.
Mike McMillan: Yes. Maybe just to start on that. I think again, we've really come through an interesting transition period if you will. And so when you look at where we were like several quarters back 1.5 years, restricted supply and so forth and we are working our way through that and managing our customer requirements with both used and new equipment and so forth. And so that environment has shifted. We're more normalized in terms of supply of equipment at this point in time. You see it in our results and we do give you some pretty good breakdowns in terms of our gross profit margins and how on the equipment side in particular in the quarter, product support rental mix and so forth and the contribution there. And so, I would say we're returning back more to more normalized supply conditions, albeit availability broadly is much stronger than it has been for quite a few quarters.
Sabahat Khan: Just for you John, I guess given where I guess we are in the cycle, given the balance sheet, John, if you can maybe just — what are your priorities in terms of capital allocation? Where is — inventory seems to be getting better. If you can rank order, maybe some of the uses of capital please?
John Doolittle: Yes. I mean Sabahat, it really hasn't changed in terms of our priority. We really have four priorities. First is organic growth and we continue to see a number of organic growth opportunities, be it in rental, be it in CIMCO, in the US as examples. We — as you know we've increased our dividend for 35 years in a row and that's really important to us and our investors. We have been buying back shares as Mike pointed out in his commentary $83 million worth year-to-date. And that's largely capital hygiene, but that's an important part of our capital allocation playbook. And then lastly M&A and you saw us execute on Tri-City this quarter. And we have a number of things that we're looking at a number of things in the pipeline. We'll continue to be very disciplined as I mentioned before. But those are really the four priorities on capital allocation.
Sabahat Khan: Thanks very much.
John Doolittle: Thanks, Sabahat.
Operator: Your next question comes from Cherilyn Radbourne from TD Cowen. Please go ahead.
Cherilyn Radbourne: Thanks very much ad good morning. Just wanted to pick up on the margin conversation a bit. If I look at 13.2% for the Equipment Group in Q3, that's a very strong Q3 result by historical standards if we exclude the very tight post-COVID period. So, just curious, how you would characterize margins by line of business if you excluded that very unique post-COVID period?
Mike McMillan: Yes. Like you say, I think we're still in this transition that I mentioned to you earlier Cherilyn. Like it's interesting in the sense that, when you look at the environment lower activity levels like I mentioned residential and that related to residential activity and one of the things that we broke down for you there was say rental, when you think of equipment margin as you noted reasonable levels, but more normalized trending that way in particular. Rental margins were lower. And part of that is just purely — we have a higher valued fleet higher acquisition costs over the last several years and I think utilization levels are a little bit lower. And so, I think those are significant contributors. And as we had comments earlier, when you think of the mix with product support, again, the renewal of the fleets we're seeing customers our new equipment sales are reasonably strong and the bookings continue to be strong. Given all that, there are a number of factors we always try to think about the mix within the equipment side, but also the mix between product support and the equipment sales side. And I think that's what we're seeing right now. Again, availability is pretty strong and we're looking to make sure that we maintain our market share and compete effectively in all segments.
John Doolittle: Yeah, I was just going to add and Mike talked about this before but just to emphasize it. Over the course of the next cycle, our plan continues to be to invest in technicians to support our customers and grow product support, as an overall percentage of the revenue pie, and the strong new equipment sales as you mentioned Mike bode well for that in the future.
Mike McMillan: Yeah. Rental would be the same case too Cherilyn. We continue to invest albeit where we optimize our capital and our teams are very good at managing the allocation of capital we provide. But it's a long-term view, I think that's the key message.
Cherilyn Radbourne: Okay. So mix is an important part of this in your business.
Mike McMillan: Yes.
Cherilyn Radbourne: Okay. I wanted to ask something about Power Systems. Obviously, that business has been lapping a difficult prior year comp all year. But I was hoping you could give us some color on what you're seeing relative to data center activity demand for distributed power and the like and also comment to what extent tight availability of large engines is constraining that business if at all?
Mike McMillan: Yeah. You raised a couple of good points there. And just to start off last year, we had one large project in particular which for the first couple of quarters provides a tough comp as we completed that. And so — but having said that, if you look at our booking areas you look at where we are with Power again a smaller business relative to mining and construction. But when you look at the activity level there the bookings and the backlog, I would say, broadly, good demand in the engine side. You mentioned restricted power funds. I think certain engines are used in oil and gas in the data centers as you mentioned. And I think for prime power and other things as well in standby. So those engines continue to be in a reasonably tight supply given the data center demand. And I would say, predominantly throughout the Caterpillar (NYSE:CAT) network in the South like in the US markets at this point there is some building interest in data centers in Canada. I'd say, it's still fairly early days. However, we're prepared to respond. And we have a lot of depth and experience when you think of whether it's prime power, standby power, peak-shaving, all of the above our team is prepared to respond in those areas and working with opportunities in looking to earn our way into that as it develops in Canada.
Cherilyn Radbourne: And then maybe just on the mining side it looks like there was probably a relatively large fleet delivery at a backlog in the quarter. Maybe you can just comment on that. And then I'd be interested to know, what you're seeing in terms of the mix of the gold versus base metals in terms of your quoting activity bookings and so forth?
Mike McMillan: Yeah. Good observation. I mean, we often talk about mining in the sense that it's a bit lumpy. In the last couple of years, we have seen a period with strong commodities pricing as we all know. Lots — decent investment going in new development and so forth. That's given our team the opportunity to earn their way into a number of opportunities and they've done a terrific job doing that. And so we tend to see again in the backlog, if you look at our backlog about — I think about 35% of the quarter-end backlog is mining. And that — those deliveries will continue. We do see a bit of a cycle ahead in terms of a shift from delivery and equipment to utilization of the equipment and then product support usually follows. I wouldn't — at this stage, I wouldn't speculate too much. We continue to be a little bit surprised in terms of what's happening there. Gold prices are at pretty high levels and continue to persist. Iron ore as you mentioned the base metal side as well is a little depressed at the moment. I mean, it's moved around quite a bit over time. And so our balance is still pretty even between call it precious metals and base metals broadly speaking.
Cherilyn Radbourne: Thank you for the color. I'll turn it over to someone else.
Mike McMillan: Thank you.
Operator: Your next question comes from Steve Hansen from Raymond (NS:RYMD) James. Please go ahead.
Steve Hansen: Good morning and thanks for the time. I want to go back on the margin issue again following on Cherilyn. Look I understand the product mix headwind is something that, sorry, there probably shifts a little bit as the new equipment deliveries scale back a little bit. But just focusing specifically on the gross margin headwind you called out in the equipment market and on rental. How should we think about those two dynamics playing out here over the next couple of quarters? Is it — is the competitive environment and the pricing environment as maybe you described going to leave us with some sustained headwinds on the gross margin side on that front? How should we think about that?
Mike McMillan: Maybe just to start on that. Thanks Steve for the question. Again, I would go back to some of the comments we had there in terms of when you think of — even on the new equipment mix and we just talked a little bit about mining for example generally you're seeing higher value and a little narrower margin product. And so within the new segment we tend to see a bit of mix in that area as well. We talked about availability and more normalizing supply across most models. Again that's going to mean that we're going to be working really hard to earn our way into deals and do what we need to do to manage margins. And so you're going to see a little bit of a shift over time based on the execution of the backlog that we have mentioned earlier. I think the other piece again on rental when you think of rental, we're seeing a slightly lower utilization and that's purely a function of utilization in the markets that we serve and a lot of it is related to that recreational segment we've talked about. And so I think all things considered we don't provide guidance as you know, but as we're prepared to manage through the cycle and looking at the long term as things normalize, activity levels improve and we see some projects kicked off, I think we want to be well-positioned to be opportunistic to support our customers as things improve in the next year or two.
Steve Hansen: Okay. That's helpful. Thank you. And then just on the rental markets, it sounds like the pretty uneven out there, the light market dramatically outperforming the other verticals. I mean, do you want to maybe comment on what you're seeing out there and why that's the case and how you think that plays out going forward?
Mike McMillan: Yes. I think like you mentioned we saw some modest growth in the light market. I think again we've been renewing our fleets over the last 18 months with availability. But really it's a function of activity levels. I think a couple of factors. Activity generally and we continue to work our way through that in our markets. I think the other piece there is on the renewal of our customer fleets and so forth combined with activity, we're not seeing as much demand for rental. It's not bad. It was stronger later in the quarter. And again I think what we're finding is where we would maybe participate in some peak shaving some of the things. Customers have been replacing their fleet and timing their purchases and matching that with activity levels. And so that's really what we're seeing in the heavy side of the marketplace.
Steve Hansen: Okay. And just one last one quick in just on the opportunity for capital deployment into CIMCO that business does seem to be really performing exceptionally well in the last couple of quarters relative to prior years. Is there any reason you don't look to accelerate capital deployment in that? I know you talked about some consolidation opportunities in past down there in the US, but how you think about that pipeline if you're examining it at all? Thanks.
John Doolittle: Yeah. I mean, Steve we're — as we've talked about before we're really pleased with the progress the team at CIMCO has been making over the last number of quarters. It's a really good team. They have a disciplined approach to managing the projects. And that is an area that we're looking at to grow both organically. As you know we have good market share, brand presence in Canada and the US is really an opportunity for growth. So we're looking at both growing organically, region by region in the US. And also we'll look if something comes up on an M&A opportunity in either Canada or the US. We'll take a look at it for sure.
Steve Hansen: Thanks for the time.
John Doolittle: Yeah. Thank you.
Operator: Your next question comes from Devin Dodge from BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead.
Devin Dodge: Thanks. Good morning guys.
John Doolittle: Good morning, Devin.
Devin Dodge: There's been a pretty significant buildup of working capital year-to-date. Do you feel this is a return to a more normal level for the business? Or would you expect some recoveries in the coming quarters just beyond normal seasonality?
John Doolittle: Yeah. I mean, if you break it into the two key components I mean, receivables are up and that really is a reflection of the growth in the business, Devin. And days sales outstanding are relatively stable and have been for a while. So we obviously watch that pretty closely. And then inventory it's a reflection of return to normal in terms of supply. And if you wind back the clock and look at our inventory levels this quarter, obviously, e have invested and that's reflected in the growth in working capital. But the percentage of inventory over the trailing 12 months of revenue is roughly the same as it was pre-COVID. So this business generates earnings and cash and we would expect that to continue going forward.
Devin Dodge: Okay. Okay. Makes sense. And then just switching over to CIMCO. Can you help us to better understand the sharp decline in product support revenues in the US?
Mike McMillan: Sorry, could you clarify your question there Devin? I didn't quite get it.
Devin Dodge: I think product support revenues in CIMCO in the US. I believe they were down year-over-year. Just trying to better understand that.
Mike McMillan: Yes. I think it is a little bit lumpy depending on the nature of the work there. And keep in mind it's a smaller part of our business. And so it doesn't take too much to move the needle there. I think what we tend to see is some pretty good project opportunities there especially in the commercial industrial side of things and so nothing really fundamentally different there to be honest with you. It's really just dependent on customer requirements and some of the new projects we've put in place. There is a lag between that and the product support given the nature of the equipment and so forth.
John Doolittle: Yes. I would just say I agree Mike. I mean it's a pretty small and growing business right now and it doesn't take much to move the needle. So it's not reflective of anything other than that.
Devin Dodge: Okay. Make sense. I will turn it over. Thank you.
John Doolittl: Thanks, Devin.
Operator: Your next question comes from Maxim Sytchev from National Bank Financial. Please go ahead.
Maxim Sytchev: Hi. Good morning, gentlemen.
Mike McMillan: Good morning.
John Doolittle: Good morning, Maxim.
Maxim Sytchev: Most of questions have been already asked. But Mike, wondering as right now there are some discussions around, sort of, lower immigration intake and potentially seeing flat population growth or maybe a year or potentially two whether how you would see the business evolve in that type of environment? Or maybe any color from a sensitivity perspective if you might share with us? Thanks.
Mike McMillan: Sure. Yes. Thanks, Max. I think a good question. Now I would suggest like again I think what we've seen is quite a lag in terms of affordable housing I mentioned earlier. And when you think of — you often hear quite a bit from our customers in terms of it's been a lot quieter on the residential side. I think with higher interest rate environments we have yet to see an uptick. And I think a lot of folks are being patient. So I would suggest that as we look at the residential market going forward there's still — there's quite a significant amount of a lack of availability for affordable housing. And I think the rates are weighing in quite heavily. We haven't really seen that move. And so we're trying to keep close with our customers in terms of their development plans and so forth. And keep in mind when you think about our customers starting a project I mean a lot of times they may see some presales and things but it could be shovels in the ground next year and that could be an 18-month development cycle. And so I think maybe we'll see a little bit better activity as we get into the spring period here. But we're I think when you look at the infrastructure the — where our customers tend to spend their time and sewer and water and infrastructure development to support residential requirements some of the highway projects that we've got planned for growth in our key markets those I think are positive tailwinds for us over the longer term. Immigration I think is going to take some time personally to work its way out because we had very significant immigration in our key markets here in the last several years.
Maxim Sytchev: Yes. For sure. Okay. No, that’s great. That’s it from me. Thank you so much.
Mike McMillan: Thank you.
John Doolittle: Thank you.
Operator: Your next question comes from Jonathan Goldman from Scotiabank (TSX:BNS). Please go ahead.
Jonathan Goldman: Hi, good morning. Thanks for taking my questions.
Mike McMillan: Morning Jon.
Jonathan Goldman: Good morning. Looking at the sequential decrease in the Equipment Group backlog, how much of that can we attribute to market dynamics versus just being generally lumpy?
Mike McMillan: Yes. A couple of things. I guess we'd probably direct you Jonathan to some of that disclosure. I mean call it $804 million, I think in the Equipment Group, for example, I mean if you look at CIMCO again that's a different business. It is lumpy as we've mentioned, but very solid backlog numbers in that business. But on the equipment side itself, when you break it down between construction mining, power, and material handling say, which is quite a small component, I think what we're starting to see — we should see fulfillment of that backlog and delivery of units going into — with more free supply which gives our customers more flexibility in terms of when they place the order and so forth. Now, the interesting thing is — if you look at our bookings in the quarter and on a year-to-date basis in particular construction I think was up 15% in the quarter. So, we're still seeing an appetite to book equipment and so forth. And so we're continuing to see some positive support there going into the second part of — the last part of the year and into the spring. So, keep that in mind. I think it's not quite normalized. If you go back historically you look at our disclosure mining will be lumpy. Mining is definitely lumpy. Power at times can have a little bit of that same theme based on projects like we mentioned earlier. If you have a large installation or distributed power or something you're peak shaving. So, we try to provide you with a real guidance on those areas at times.
Jonathan Goldman: No, I appreciate that. That's some good color. And then I guess the second question I was hoping you could give a progress update on the Reman site staffing levels and sort of the pace that you expect to ramp utilization going forward?
John Doolittle: Yes, I think we're making very good progress at the site. It's — I was up there a couple of weeks ago Jonathan. And it is state-of-the-art facility environmentally friendly. I think we're aiming to have approximately 150 technicians when we're at our peak and we're above two-thirds of the way there now. We've had very good success attracting talent in that area and we'd expect that to continue. But that's where we stand in terms of hiring.
Mike McMillan: Yes, I think also just on that too just as a sense we're planning on having a more call it an official opening or broader opening in the spring and we'll provide more information on that. But I think some equipment is still being put in place. We've got a robotic soda blaster that's in place today. We have — from the engine side of things where [indiscernible] are going in as we speak. And so those things we're still in a little bit of transition albeit we have a very — a significant workforce up there deployed so far and continue to hire as we go into the spring.
Jonathan Goldman: Okay, perfect. Thanks for taking my questions.
Mike McMillan: Thank you.
Operator: There are no further questions at this time. So, I'd now like to turn the call over to John Doolittle for final closing comments.
John Doolittle: Okay. Thank you, Elvis for hosting us today and thanks everyone for their participation. Great questions. Have a terrific day.
Mike McMillan: Take care.
Operator: Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes your conference call for today. We thank you for participating and ask that you please disconnect your lines. Thank you.
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